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I loved Tim Conway on Carol Burnette but I didn't even want to know when it came to the Dorf videos.

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I did too to be honest. But then it was the first album I ever bought (on cassette).

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It's hard to know from so little to go on.

Part of it will have to do with your tolerance for what the 60s or the 80s or the 90s or even the 00s thought the future would be. Because if you don't have tolerance for any of that, it's best to start with one of the new shows like Discovery or Strange New Worlds.

If that isn't an issue, I'd suggest going to this website and seeing which show's summary appeals to you most and then dive in. It's true that Star Trek shows (generally) start weak in their first season, but there are first season episodes we could also all recommend.

https://www.optus.com.au/connected/entertainment/star-trek-beginners-guide

I grew up with TOS, so I will always go with TOS before the others, but I also recognize it can be pretty hard to get into a 1960s idea of the far future.

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A few episodes are almost impossible to watch

Wait until you get to the final episode.

I can't decide which final episode is worse, TOS' Turnabout Intruder or Enterprise's These Are the Voyages... because the latter shits on Star Trek but the former shits on women.

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I don't think SNW is the worst place to start, especially for someone who, as I said below, might have less of a tolerance for what earlier decades thought the future would be like. The only problem might be not getting some of the references.

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Stargate was definitely inspired by both TOS and TNG, so I might start with one of those, although Voyager has more of the 'we have no idea what's out there' element because they're in totally uncharted space.

But it's so hard to tell you where to start. In terms of understanding most Star Trek references in other shows, probably TNG. Because while other shows do reference TOS, TNG seems to me to have been much more influential in future Star Trek development.

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DS9 would also be needed for Picard Season 3.

Jellico and Riker didn't get along. Who's fault was that?

Jellico's reputation for being an ass goes beyond the hull of the Enterprise, hence Mariner's comment about being assigned a "Jellico-type" captain. But every time I watch "Chain of Command," sometimes it's hard to tell of Geordi, Riker and Troi aren't being a bunch of unprofessional softies....

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All I have to say is...

Only one of them was the greatest captain in Starfleet history and his ship wasn't the Titan.

After all- which one of them convinced Deanna to put on a uniform? Sure wasn't her Imzadi.

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But I would give Jellico a huge advantage over Riker- namely that he basically defeated the Cardassian Empire through being a pure hard-ass.

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True. Sorry, I forgot my own post about who was a better captain is not actually what this thread is about. It's been a long morning.

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I would say that an effective captain gets those under his command in shape. And part of being in shape is respect for the uniform.

But true, the reason why he's the best captain is that he pretty much single-handedly defeated the Cardassian Empire.

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I get the joke, but I honestly don't think Jellico is a jerk. He's a military man. He wants his ship run in a military manner. Captains like Picard, Kirk, Janeway, etc. are not especially interested in a ship being run that way despite being in the military. I am guessing they are more the exception than the rule. Maybe that explains their success, but Jellico was also a successful captain. He just had a different way of running a ship, a more traditional way.

See also: Shaw on Picard. I know he was portrayed as an asshole (until the end), but he was clearly a very good captain.

FlyingSquid Mod , (edited )
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Welcome, everyone! The way I described what I personally hope for this community is a place to have fun discussions about Star Trek that aren't stuffy like DaystromInstitute on Reddit but also not pure silliness like Ten Forward (although I'm probably going to be the first one to end up being silly anyway, I can't help myself). But there is definitely a place on Lemmy for people to talk Trek in a friendly way about subjects us fans care about.

My one personal rule is this- Star Trek canon doesn't really exist and we shouldn't pretend it does. It changes all the time. Even within a series.

That's not a rule I'm going to enforce as a mod or anything, it's just something I will not hesitate to point out when I see it.

And you don't have to take my word for it. Ex Astris Scientia has a massive inconsistencies list. They make a valiant attempt to explain away as many as they can, but they admit failure all the time too.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies.htm

They even have a page of stuff people think is canon but is not.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/false_canon.htm

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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The hemorrhoids are back?

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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I don't know if this well help, but Preparation Horus works pretty well when they try to scam me like that.

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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Either way, the solar flares won't stop until morale improves.

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I'm kind of that friend because I've had a chance to meet and work with a lot of famous people without ever being especially famous or successful myself... but I do have a lot of stories. Both professional and incidental.

For example-

My dog played with Eric Idle's dog in a park one day. We were the only two people there. We talked about dogs.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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No, he was the only Python I ever had the pleasure of meeting.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Hello and welcome or welcome back! Your friendly mod The Picard Maneuver has done just that!

https://lemmy.world/post/12474694

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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Dada imagery shitposting is nothing compared to Dada theater shitposting. Ever seen Ubu Roi? You'll probably wish you didn't.

On the other hand, I can't be too critical of Alfred Jarry. He used to walk around Paris with a lobster on a leash.

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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C'est une pipe.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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I feel seen!

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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It's much harder to cut a steak with chopsticks.

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People who think that is the best fork need to be investigated.

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I'll allow it.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Well yeah, the fork is to hold down the steak while you cut it with the knife.

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Okay, if I must share photos of my pets, you've forced my hand!

Here are Charlie and Ghost. It looks like they are friends. They are not because Ghost doesn't have any friends and likes it that way.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/608a8b87-adf2-41b9-8d95-72ceeb144b65.png

Charlie likes Ghost though.

FlyingSquid ,
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Goats are so cute and sweet. And if they didn't scream like they're in a horror movie half the time, they'd be perfect pets.

FlyingSquid ,
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Because she gets a great deal of pleasure out of hating things.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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You have no idea how hard I had to stop myself from posting a photo of conjoined twins as a response.

FlyingSquid OP Mod ,
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Thanks much! And yes, memes are what 10F is for. This place is for slightly more "serious" Trek discussions (although we still hope everyone will have fun). We don't want to make this place stuffy like Daystrom was on Reddit. Sort of a step between that and 10F. For fan stuff and Trek talk that isn't just silliness, but hopefully will still foster entertaining and interesting discussion.

Just please, everyone, for my sake, don't get into big arguments about what is and is not canon. If there's one thing we've learned from decades of Star Trek, canon exists on a spectrum at best and there's plenty that is open to interpretation and such discussions get needlessly ugly. I think if we can be civil with each other as fans, respect each other's opinions even when we disagree, especially on which Star Trek anyone happens to personally dislike, this place will be great. Aside from you weirdos who like Sub Rosa. You folks are just objectively wrong. Seriously, Beverly has sex with a ghost candle and you guys think that's a good idea for an episode?

https://i.gifer.com/IrbO.gif

But I digress.

I have saying I use that I would love it if other people adopted: The best Star Trek is the Star Trek you like the most.

Anyway, I'm really happy to be part of the mod team on both communities!

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Here's the weird part. Riker only ever says that he's from Alaska in the show. He doesn't specify Valdez. So where does Valdez come from?

Both the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 1, p. 223) and StarTrek.com identified Valdez, Alaska as Riker's place of birth. [1]

I mean sure, why not Valdez? Riverside, Iowa decided Kirk was born there because he said he was from Iowa and no one ever claimed it before them, so I guess they got there first. They have a statue and a marker.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dbf2d7a4-b790-403c-a04d-b4615441be00.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1500d406-ba7a-4f49-aa49-9f5cc7c45e1b.png

Someday, I'll have to visit the Janeway statue in Bloomington, IN (Voyager did establish her as being from Bloomington because Jeri Taylor went to IU), the Kirk statue in Iowa, the soon-to-be Riker statue in Valdez and maybe finish at Vulcan, Alberta. A Star Trek road trip!

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I hope you do, because I really hope more people feel that way so you don't have people making sweeping statements like "Discovery is not Star Trek" or "Star Trek started getting bad with Voyager" or whatever. If someone thinks that way, fine. But it's a personal opinion and plenty of people disagree about what is "bad" Star Trek.

I was born in the late 1970s. I've been watching Star Trek since I was a toddler.

I remember when TNG was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when DS9 was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when Voyager was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when Enterprise was "bad Star Trek."

And now Discovery is "bad Star Trek." (Amazingly, I haven't heard that about LD or SNW yet.)

What do all these things have in common? Other people love them and think of them as good Star Trek. Which is fine. The good thing is falling in love with a galaxy where, in general, scarcity is a thing of the past, science and exploration are considered to be vital, and people try to talk things out before they start shooting at each other. Because those things are what makes Star Trek what it is and all of those shows have that in common.

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I have removed the uncivil comments in this discussion. Please remember rule 1 and keep it civil.

Not you, THE MASTERMIND. You are fine. And I think you're mysterious! You are a puzzle for me to solve and I am terrible at solving puzzles so it will probably take me a long time to think about until I forget about it tomorrow.

It's not your fault. You have resting enigma face.

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